windows office consumers

For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA consumers.
The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more like:
- Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes, the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not what you DON'T need.
Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to include:
- Office Word 2007 - Office Excel 2007 - Office PowerPoint 2007 - Office OneNote 2007
Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution. Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us), Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts, and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs, and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date. But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot. Nothing more...
Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)

I don't run Outlook at all. I'm testing Office 2007 and I haven't even bothered with Outlook - the day it comes with in-built newsgroup support, *that's* when I'll start using it!
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--- Original message follows --- "Jane Colman" wrote in message

You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)

But whats the point anyway when there is Windows Mail and Outlook Express already? Buying a PIM just to use it for ng support seems a bit over the top. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message

I don't run Outlook at all. I'm testing Office 2007 and I haven't even bothered with Outlook - the day it comes with in-built newsgroup support, *that's* when I'll start using it!
-- Zack Whittaker Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor) » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: http://msblog.resdev.net » ZackNET Forum: www.zacknet.co.uk/forum » VistaBase: www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
--- Original message follows --- "Jane Colman" wrote in message You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)

Heck, you can buy each Office application as a stand alone product. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jane Colman" wrote in message

You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)

I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Heck, you can buy each Office application as a stand alone product. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jane Colman" wrote in message You can always go the custom install route and choose exactly which parts of Office you actually need to install. I never install Outlook. ;)

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really :o)

Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC..... -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

Ahh now that's the thing, I've got an XDA II Pocket PC/Phone and I'm having a constant battle to work out whether I should install Outlook for synchronisation purposes... but then again, I've got a backup utility on my phone provided by O2 which does a similar thing to ActiveSync and Outlook anyway ;o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" wrote in message

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really :o)
Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC..... -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:37:31 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

Ahh now that's the thing, I've got an XDA II Pocket PC/Phone and I'm having a constant battle to work out whether I should install Outlook for synchronisation purposes... but then again, I've got a backup utility on my phone provided by O2 which does a similar thing to ActiveSync and Outlook anyway ;o)

Actually thinking on it I'm not tied to Outlook now as I don't use Outlook notes and the Rest of my PIM data is actually safe and sound within 4SmartPhone - which we reviewed here, which may be of interest to you http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=7726 as I think it would solve your problem as well. -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" wrote in message

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really :o)
Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC..... -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

LMAO!
hell no, Microsoft likes confusing people by getting dis Windows Mobile Device Manager or some crap like that, that means the sync manager is of no use.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" wrote in message On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really :o)
Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC..... -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

Yes, its limbo, which is a known issue, hopefully it will be working in BETA 2 (April CTP) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Eric" wrote in message

LMAO!
hell no, Microsoft likes confusing people by getting dis Windows Mobile Device Manager or some crap like that, that means the sync manager is of no use.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" wrote in message On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really :o)
Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC..... -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

Outlook is critical to have for a large organization, the one that I a working at :-)

But I agree, Microsoft is competing with Microsoft, not because they are trying to give me more choices, but I think just because the developers love to rewrite everything their way, I guess you got the idea :-)

I would have been wonderful if Outlook just upgrades the existing mail, calendar, etc; but I guess this may not happen.

Don't also forget that Outlook / SharePoint, competes with Novell, and IBM Lotus Notes; there are tons of useless tings there for a home user, but very important for a large business :-)

By the way, I am using outlook in my tablet PC with one note.

<Nicholas> wrote in message

For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA consumers.
The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more like:
- Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes, the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not what you DON'T need.
Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to include:
- Office Word 2007 - Office Excel 2007 - Office PowerPoint 2007 - Office OneNote 2007
Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution. Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us), Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts, and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs, and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date. But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot. Nothing more...
Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

yeah
but i why did they need to do Windows Mobile evice Manager when Sync Manager is already there? why reinvent the wheel?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Yes, its limbo, which is a known issue, hopefully it will be working in BETA 2 (April CTP) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Eric" wrote in message LMAO!
hell no, Microsoft likes confusing people by getting dis Windows Mobile Device Manager or some crap like that, that means the sync manager is of no use.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tekguru (Daron Brewood)" wrote in message On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:53:23 -0000, Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:
I know, but I'm just saying I don't really like Outlook all that much really :o)
Agreed as well but as nothing else with sync with a Pocket PC..... -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:52:10 -0800, Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

Maybe thats where the Windows Vista Sync Manager comes in. ;-)

Which is not implemented yet really :) -- Tekguru (Daron Brewood) MS-MVP/Mobile Devices
Webmaster: UKs largest Pocket PC Site http://www.4WinMobile.com

Note that this is for Windows Vista only. For Windows XP you will still need Outlook since it includes a calendar, which OE don't include. <Nicholas> wrote in message

For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA consumers.
The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more like:
- Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes, the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not what you DON'T need.
Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to include:
- Office Word 2007 - Office Excel 2007 - Office PowerPoint 2007 - Office OneNote 2007
Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution. Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us), Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts, and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs, and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date. But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot. Nothing more...
Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

Actually, Office Application Recovery duplates a new feature in vista that will preserve your document when your application crash.
<Nicholas> wrote in message

For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA consumers.
The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more like:
- Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes, the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not what you DON'T need.
Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to include:
- Office Word 2007 - Office Excel 2007 - Office PowerPoint 2007 - Office OneNote 2007
Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution. Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us), Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts, and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs, and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date. But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot. Nothing more...
Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"

Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger and added new features, but however starting at 4.6 it do not duplicates all the features by default. To get the MSN stuff you need to install an add-in, which was discontinued in 5.0 and Windows XP SP2.
<Nicholas> wrote in message

For just that extra explanation for what I've said before, Microsoft is marketing their products differently this round for home customers - AKA consumers.
The reason why today and in the past there were so many problems with Microsoft offerings for consumers is that there were too many redundant products. Office Outlook 2003 duplicates Outlook Express and Windows Address Book, Windows Messenger duplicates MSN Messenger. And some more like:
- Office Outlook 2007 will duplicate Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, and Windows Calendar - Office Picture Manager will duplicate Windows Photo Gallery - Producer for PowerPoint 2007 will duplicate Windows Movie Maker - Office Application Recovery will duplicate Windows Task Manager (yes, the thing from Ctrl+Alt+Del)
So... in order to avoid such life complications, users like you should work around and select the best route to ensure you get what you need, not what you DON'T need.
Now, Microsoft seems to have designed Office Home and Student 2007 to include:
- Office Word 2007 - Office Excel 2007 - Office PowerPoint 2007 - Office OneNote 2007
Guess why they dropped Office Outlook 2007 for Office OneNote 2007? It's because someone who's sane at MS actually realized how insane Windows and Office are at duplicating each other and came up with a partial solution. Therefore, without Office Outlook 2007, you can now enjoy less stress and use tools that are built specifically for consumers (yes that's us), Windows Mail, Windows Contacts, Windows Calendar, and forget about the nerdy features in Office Outlook 2007 like Cached Exchange Mode, Meeting Workspace, Live Attachments, Task Status Reports, Journal, etc.
So... if you want the leanest combination of Windows and Office, you should get Windows Vista Home (Basic and Premium) and Office Home and Student 2007. DO NOT GET Office Basic 2007 because that includes Office Outlook 2007 and you will be daunted by duplications of e-mail, contacts, and calendar programs. Too bad that's the case, because Windows Vista Home Basic and Office Basic 2007 go and sound together pretty well, if Office Outlook 2007 wasn't in there.
If synchronizing multiple e-mail accounts across multiple e-mail programs, and importing and exporting and re-entering your buddies list and birthday dates on two or more contact and calendar programs doesn't scare you... I recommend Windows Vista Enterprise or Ultimate, and Office Enterprise or Professional Plus 2007. This ultimate combination gives you more than enough work to get your life information settled in place and up-to-date. But for people who just want simple things that just work, count me out...
I need 1 mailbox in my frontyard, 1 kitchen in my house, and 1 garage lot. Nothing more...
Feel free to share your opinion, anger, disagreement, counterattack...
-- Nicholas...
"Overclock Your Life, Then The World"